SL.8.1: Collaborative Discussion That Connects Speakers and Weighs Evidence
In plain English: SL.8.1 is the Common Core grade 8 ELA standard that asks students to hold discussions with a partner, in groups and with the teacher, building on others' ideas and stating their own clearly. Eighth graders come prepared with evidence, follow rules for discussion and decision-making, ask questions that connect several speakers' ideas, and qualify or justify their views in light of the evidence.
Engage effectively in a range of collaborative discussions (one-on-one, in groups, and teacher-led) with diverse partners on grade 8 topics, texts, and issues, building on others' ideas and expressing their own clearly.
a.Come to discussions prepared, having read or researched material under study; explicitly draw on that preparation by referring to evidence on the topic, text, or issue to probe and reflect on ideas under discussion.
b.Follow rules for collegial discussions and decision-making, track progress toward specific goals and deadlines, and define individual roles as needed.
c.Pose questions that connect the ideas of several speakers and respond to others' questions and comments with relevant evidence, observations, and ideas.
d.Acknowledge new information expressed by others, and, when warranted, qualify or justify their own views in light of the evidence presented.
Common Core State Standards for English Language Arts & Literacy · Domain: Speaking and Listening Standards · Cluster: Comprehension and Collaboration · Official standard
Eighth graders practice collaborative discussion, the kind of talk where a group works through a question together and each speaker builds on what came before. The text is Edgar Allan Poe's short story "The Tell-Tale Heart" (first published in 1843), told by a narrator who insists he is not mad while he describes a murder and his own confession. The story gives students a real question to argue about with evidence: why does the narrator confess, and how far can we trust his account?
Students study three short transcripts (written records of who said what) written for this lesson: a teacher-led discussion, a group making a decision, and two partners. The transcripts model the moves SL.8.1 adds in grade 8: using a decision rule, posing questions that connect the ideas of several speakers, answering with relevant evidence, and qualifying or justifying a view in light of the evidence presented. Students then use those moves in their own one-on-one, group and teacher-led discussions.
Learning Objectives
By the end of this lesson, students will be able to:
Come to a discussion prepared and refer to marked evidence from the text to probe and reflect on ideas
Follow rules for collegial discussion and a group decision rule, define roles as needed, and track progress toward a goal and deadline
Pose questions that connect the ideas of several speakers and respond to others with relevant evidence, observations and ideas
Acknowledge new information and decide, with evidence, whether to qualify or justify their own view
Build on others' ideas and state their own views clearly in one-on-one, group and teacher-led discussions
Prior Knowledge Required
Students should already be comfortable with:
Tracking progress toward goals and deadlines and defining roles in a group discussion SL.7.1
Acknowledging new information and, when warranted, changing a view SL.7.1
Citing several pieces of textual evidence to support an analysis of a story RL.7.1
"Think of a time someone told you a fact that made you less sure of an opinion, but did not change it completely. What part of your opinion did you keep, and what part did you change?"
Give students three minutes to write, then hear three or four answers. For each one, ask: "So what is your opinion now, in one sentence?" Point out that the new sentences are usually narrower than the old ones, with words like mostly, sometimes or at first. Tell the class that this is what SL.8.1 calls qualifying a view, and that today they will practice it along with three other grade 8 moves. Show Diagram 1.
Direct Instruction20 minutes
Part 1: What grade 8 adds. Walk through Diagram 1 and the table below. Define each key word as it comes up. Collegial means respectful and cooperative, the way good teammates act. Decision-making is the way a group reaches a choice, and a decision rule says how it will choose, for example "try to agree, then vote at the checkpoint." To connect the ideas of several speakers is to ask how two or more classmates' points fit together, clash or build on each other. Relevant evidence is a quotation or fact that bears directly on the question. To qualify a view is to narrow or limit it so it fits the evidence ("mostly," "only at first"); to justify a view is to show, with reasons and evidence, why it still holds.
SL.8.1 moves with sentence starters
Move
Part
Starter
Use your preparation
a
"In excerpt __, paragraph __, it says ..."
Follow the decision rule
b
"Our rule says we vote at __, so ..."
Check progress
b
"It's __. The goal is __, and we have __."
Connect several speakers
c
"__ said ... and __ said .... How do those fit together?"
Answer with evidence
c
"The line that shows it is ..."
Build on an idea
main
"I'll add to what __ said ..."
Acknowledge new information
d
"I didn't notice that. It means ..."
Qualify a view
d
"I still think ..., but only ..."
Justify a view
d
"I'm keeping my view because the evidence ..."
Part 2: The text under study. Students read the three excerpts of Edgar Allan Poe's short story "The Tell-Tale Heart" (first published in 1843) the night before and mark one line in each. Explain that the narrator is the character who tells the story, and that this narrator speaks straight to "you," the reader, to argue that he is not mad (the story's old word for mentally ill). The paragraphs of each excerpt are numbered so that speakers can cite them. Explain a few words: hearken means listen, a vulture is a large bird that feeds on dead animals, and to be acute is to be sharp or keen.
1True!—nervous—very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses—not destroyed—not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily—how calmly I can tell you the whole story.
2It is impossible to say how first the idea entered my brain; but once conceived, it haunted me day and night. Object there was none. Passion there was none. I loved the old man. He had never wronged me. He had never given me insult. For his gold I had no desire. I think it was his eye! yes, it was this! He had the eye of a vulture—a pale blue eye, with a film over it. Whenever it fell upon me, my blood ran cold; and so by degrees—very gradually—I made up my mind to take the life of the old man, and thus rid myself of the eye forever.
Edgar Allan Poe, The Tell-Tale Heart, excerpt 1: the opening (the first two paragraphs of the story), in The Works of Edgar Allan Poe, Volume 2 (the Raven Edition) (1843; this edition 1903). Public domain (published 1903). Source text.
Summarize the next part of the story in your own words. For seven nights, at midnight, the narrator slowly opens the old man's door and shines a thin ray from a covered lantern onto the eye, but the eye is always closed. On the eighth night his thumb slips on the lantern, and the old man sits up in bed, awake and afraid. Excerpt 2 begins after the narrator has waited a long time in the dark.
1When I had waited a long time, very patiently, without hearing him lie down, I resolved to open a little—a very, very little crevice in the lantern. So I opened it—you cannot imagine how stealthily, stealthily—until, at length a single dim ray, like the thread of the spider, shot from out the crevice and fell full upon the vulture eye.
2It was open—wide, wide open—and I grew furious as I gazed upon it. I saw it with perfect distinctness—all a dull blue, with a hideous veil over it that chilled the very marrow in my bones; but I could see nothing else of the old man’s face or person: for I had directed the ray as if by instinct, precisely upon the damned spot.
3And have I not told you that what you mistake for madness is but over-acuteness of the sense?—now, I say, there came to my ears a low, dull, quick sound, such as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton. I knew that sound well, too. It was the beating of the old man’s heart. It increased my fury, as the beating of a drum stimulates the soldier into courage.
Edgar Allan Poe, The Tell-Tale Heart, excerpt 2: the eighth night (the eighth, ninth and tenth paragraphs of the story), in The Works of Edgar Allan Poe, Volume 2 (the Raven Edition) (1843; this edition 1903). Public domain (published 1903). Source text.
Then summarize the middle of the story without the details: the narrator kills the old man and hides the body under the floorboards of the bedroom. At four in the morning three police officers arrive, because a neighbor heard a shriek. The narrator says the shriek was his own, in a dream, and that the old man is away in the country. He brings chairs into the bedroom and sets his own chair right over the hidden body. Excerpt 3 is the end of the story.
1The officers were satisfied. My manner had convinced them. I was singularly at ease. They sat, and while I answered cheerily, they chatted of familiar things. But, ere long, I felt myself getting pale and wished them gone. My head ached, and I fancied a ringing in my ears: but still they sat and still chatted. The ringing became more distinct:—it continued and became more distinct: I talked more freely to get rid of the feeling: but it continued and gained definiteness—until, at length, I found that the noise was not within my ears.
2No doubt I now grew very pale;—but I talked more fluently, and with a heightened voice. Yet the sound increased—and what could I do? It was a low, dull, quick sound—much such a sound as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton. I gasped for breath—and yet the officers heard it not. I talked more quickly—more vehemently; but the noise steadily increased. I arose and argued about trifles, in a high key and with violent gesticulations; but the noise steadily increased. Why would they not be gone? I paced the floor to and fro with heavy strides, as if excited to fury by the observations of the men—but the noise steadily increased. Oh God! what could I do? I foamed—I raved—I swore! I swung the chair upon which I had been sitting, and grated it upon the boards, but the noise arose over all and continually increased. It grew louder—louder—louder! And still the men chatted pleasantly, and smiled. Was it possible they heard not? Almighty God!—no, no! They heard!—they suspected!—they knew!—they were making a mockery of my horror!—this I thought, and this I think. But anything was better than this agony! Anything was more tolerable than this derision! I could bear those hypocritical smiles no longer! I felt that I must scream or die! and now—again!—hark! louder! louder! louder! louder!
3“Villains!” I shrieked, “dissemble no more! I admit the deed!—tear up the planks!—here, here!—It is the beating of his hideous heart!”
Edgar Allan Poe, The Tell-Tale Heart, excerpt 3: the ending (the last three paragraphs of the story), in The Works of Edgar Allan Poe, Volume 2 (the Raven Edition) (1843; this edition 1903). Public domain (published 1903). Source text.
Part 3: A model teacher-led discussion. Volunteers read the transcript below aloud. It was written for this page. After each worked example, ask, "Which move from the table did that speaker make, and how can you tell?"
1Mr. Okafor: Today's question is: why does the narrator confess? Last night you each wrote an answer with a line to back it up. Our goal is one class answer that fits all the evidence we bring, and we have until 11:15. Rosa, will you start?
2Rosa: I think he confesses because he feels guilty. In excerpt 3, paragraph 3, he shrieks, "I admit the deed!" Nobody forces him; the officers are just chatting. His conscience is what breaks him.
3Devin: I see it differently. He never says he feels bad. In paragraph 2 of excerpt 3 he says they were "making a mockery of my horror." He confesses because he thinks the officers already know, and he can't stand being laughed at.
4Amara: I think it's the sound. In paragraph 1 of excerpt 3 he says he "found that the noise was not within my ears." He believes the old man's heart is really beating under the floor, and he confesses to make it stop.
5Mr. Okafor: So we have three answers: guilt from Rosa, the officers from Devin, and the sound from Amara. Question for anyone: how could Amara's sound and Devin's officers fit together?
6Lucas: I think they're one chain. The sound comes first. It's so loud that he decides the officers must hear it too. He even says "they knew!" So Amara's sound is what leads to Devin's idea.
7Mr. Okafor: Devin, does that chain fit what you said?
8Devin: Mostly. I'm keeping my answer, but I'll qualify it: the sound starts it, and the reason he screams is that he thinks they know. So my idea is the last link in the chain, not the whole reason.
9Nadia: Can I add something about the sound? It's described the same way twice. In excerpt 2, paragraph 3, it's "a low, dull, quick sound, such as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton." At the end it's "much such a sound as a watch makes when enveloped in cotton." The old man is alive in excerpt 2 and dead in excerpt 3, but the narrator hears the same thing.
10Amara: Oh, I didn't notice that. So it probably isn't the old man's heart at the end; he's dead. It could be the narrator's own heart pounding, which would fit with "I gasped for breath." I still think the sound makes him confess, but now I'd say he only believes it's the old man's heart.
11Rosa: That helps my side. If the sound is his own heart, his body is giving him away. That's what guilt feels like.
12Mr. Okafor: Rosa, is there evidence in the words that it's guilt, or is that your reading of it?
13Rosa: Fair question. He never uses the word guilt, and in excerpt 1 he says "I loved the old man" in the same paragraph where he decides to kill him. So I'll qualify it: the narrator never admits feeling guilty, but his body acts like a guilty person's. I'm keeping guilt as my reading of what the sound means, because nothing else in the excerpts explains why a calm man suddenly falls apart.
14Mr. Okafor: It's 11:10. Lucas, can you try a class answer that uses all three ideas?
15Lucas: The narrator hears a sound that is probably his own heart, believes it is the old man's, decides the officers must hear it too, and confesses to end the agony. Whether the sound means guilt is still open.
16Mr. Okafor: That leaves five minutes to spare. Write Lucas's answer down with one line from any excerpt that supports it.
Written for this page (the teacher and students are invented), Transcript 1: Why Does the Narrator Confess? (teacher-led). Original passage written for this page.
Coming prepared and stating a view clearly (Transcript 1, paragraph 2)
Mr. Okafor asks Rosa to start, and she answers with the line she marked the night before: "I admit the deed!"
Result: Rosa states her view in one sentence (he confesses because he feels guilty), then names where her evidence is (excerpt 3, paragraph 3) and quotes it exactly. Her preparation is what lets her open with evidence instead of a feeling.
A question that connects the ideas of several speakers (Transcript 1, paragraph 5)
Mr. Okafor: "So we have three answers: guilt from Rosa, the officers from Devin, and the sound from Amara. Question for anyone: how could Amara's sound and Devin's officers fit together?"
Result: The teacher names three speakers' ideas and asks how two of them relate. A connecting question does not ask one person to repeat a point; it asks the group to link points. Lucas answers by joining them into one chain: the sound comes first, then the belief that the officers know.
Qualifying a view in light of the evidence (Transcript 1, paragraph 8)
Devin: "Mostly. I'm keeping my answer, but I'll qualify it: the sound starts it, and the reason he screams is that he thinks they know."
Result: Devin does not drop his view or repeat it unchanged. He narrows it to fit Lucas's chain: the officers are "the last link in the chain, not the whole reason." To qualify is to keep the part the evidence supports and limit the rest.
Acknowledging new information (Transcript 1, paragraphs 9-10)
Nadia points out that the sound in excerpt 2 and the sound at the end are both like "a watch ... enveloped in cotton," though the old man is alive in one and dead in the other. Amara: "Oh, I didn't notice that."
Result: Amara names what is new to her and says what it means: the sound at the end is probably not the old man's heart. Then she qualifies her own view: the sound still makes him confess, but "he only believes it's the old man's heart." The new information changed part of her view, not all of it.
Justifying a view under a probing question (Transcript 1, paragraphs 12-13)
Mr. Okafor: "Rosa, is there evidence in the words that it's guilt, or is that your reading of it?"
Result: Rosa admits the narrator never uses the word guilt and qualifies her view. Then she justifies what she keeps: she cites "I loved the old man" from excerpt 1 and argues that nothing else in the excerpts explains why a calm man falls apart. Justifying means giving the evidence and reasons that show a view still holds.
Point out the progress check in paragraph 14 ("It's 11:10") and Lucas's answer in paragraph 15, which joins all three views. The class finished with a better answer than any one speaker started with, and one question is still open. That is a good result for a discussion.
Guided Practice15 minutes
Groups of four read Transcript 2 aloud, one part each. In it, four eighth graders must choose one line for the class evidence wall that shows the narrator cannot be fully trusted. A narrator the reader cannot fully trust is called an unreliable narrator. Groups mark every place where a speaker sets or uses the decision rule, gives out a role, checks progress, connects two speakers' ideas, answers with evidence, or keeps or changes a view. Then show Diagram 2.
1Sofia: Our job is to pick the one line for the class evidence wall that best shows we can't fully trust the narrator's version, plus one sentence explaining why. We have 20 minutes, from 1:05 to 1:25. Our decision rule from the class chart: we try to agree first, and if we haven't agreed by 1:15, we vote. The majority wins, and the other side adds one sentence to the explanation. I'll lead, Grace keeps time, Isaiah records and Kenji presents.
2Isaiah: I'll write the choices down as we go. My pick is the first line of the story: "why will you say that I am mad?" He's arguing with the reader before the story even starts.
3Grace: Mine is from excerpt 1, too: "I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell." Nobody can hear things in heaven and hell. If he believes that, we can't trust what he says he hears later.
4Kenji: I looked up a word from the ending last night. To dissemble means to hide what you really think or feel, to pretend. So when he shrieks "dissemble no more!" he's calling the officers pretenders. But he's the one who pretended. In paragraph 1 of excerpt 3, he "answered cheerily" while the body was under the floor. My pick is "dissemble no more!"
5Sofia: So we have three picks. Isaiah and Grace, yours are both from the opening. How do they connect?
6Isaiah: They go together. He asks why we say he's mad, and then his proof that he's fine is that he can hear hell. His proof is exactly what makes us doubt him.
7Grace: Checkpoint. It's 1:12. We have three picks and no decision, and the vote is at 1:15.
8Sofia: Kenji, answer Isaiah with evidence: why is the ending stronger than the opening?
9Kenji: The opening only shows he's strange. The ending shows him accusing other people of what he did himself. In excerpt 3 he "answered cheerily" and "talked more fluently" to fool the officers, and then he calls them the pretenders. That's the least trustworthy thing he says.
10Grace: I didn't know what dissemble meant, so I missed that. It changes my vote: I'm with Kenji now. But I'd keep my line in the explanation, because it shows the problem starts on the first page.
11Isaiah: I'm keeping the opening line. Kenji's point is good, but his line only makes sense if you already know the plot. A reader can see from the first sentence that he's arguing with us, and the wall is for people who read it in ten seconds.
12Grace: It's 1:15. Time to vote.
13Sofia: Following our rule, hands up for "dissemble no more!" That's Kenji, Grace and me, so three. The opening line gets one. The wall gets "dissemble no more!" and Isaiah writes the extra sentence.
14Isaiah: Here's my sentence: "From his first line, 'why will you say that I am mad?', the narrator argues with the reader instead of simply telling the story."
15Kenji: That works. I'll present both. Isaiah, can you read back what we have?
16Isaiah: The line is "dissemble no more!" The explanation: he calls the officers pretenders after pretending himself. Then my extra sentence about the opening. It's 1:18, so we have seven minutes to practice.
Written for this page (the students are invented), Transcript 2: A Group Chooses a Line for the Evidence Wall. Original passage written for this page.
Debrief with four questions. (1) What is the group's decision rule, and does it follow it? Sofia states it in paragraph 1 (try to agree; vote at 1:15 if not; the majority wins and the other side adds a sentence). At 1:15 the group votes three to one (paragraph 13), and Isaiah, on the losing side, writes the extra sentence (paragraph 14). (2) Which question connects the ideas of several speakers? Sofia's question in paragraph 5 asks how Isaiah's and Grace's picks connect, and Isaiah links them in paragraph 6. (3) What new information changes a vote? Kenji's definition of dissemble (paragraph 4). Grace acknowledges it and changes her vote in paragraph 10, but keeps her line for the explanation. (4) Does Isaiah have to change his view? No. In paragraph 11 he justifies keeping it with a reason about who reads the wall, and the decision rule still gives the group one answer on time.
Independent Practice15 minutes
Students read Transcript 3, a one-on-one talk between partners Zoe and Mateo (written for this page) about whether the narrator's calm way of telling the story proves his claim. With the transcript and the three excerpts open, they answer quiz questions 1-10 on their own, then questions 11-20, which ask them to use the standard in new situations and to write their own discussion moves.
1Zoe: We have ten minutes for our question: does the calm way the narrator tells the story prove he isn't mad, as he claims? Each of us needs a final answer in one sentence by the end. Last night I marked two lines. In excerpt 1, paragraph 1, he tells us to "observe how healthily" and "how calmly I can tell you the whole story." But in excerpt 3, paragraph 2, he says, "I raved" and "I swore!" So no, his calm doesn't prove anything, because it doesn't last.
2Mateo: I see it a little differently. He's telling the story after it's all over. Going wild in front of the officers is something that happened in the story, but the way he tells it now could still be calm.
3Zoe: What in the words makes you think he's calm now, while he's telling it?
4Mateo: He explains everything in order, step by step: the officers sitting and chatting, then the ringing in his ears, then the noise getting louder. Someone who is out of control couldn't keep the order straight.
5Zoe: That's a fair point about the order. But look at how he tells the very end: "louder! louder! louder!" He's not remembering the panic calmly. He's panicking again while he tells it.
6Mateo: Hmm. I hadn't looked at the exclamation marks. And paragraph 2 has "this I thought, and this I think." Think is present tense. He still believes the officers knew, right now, while he's telling us.
7Zoe: So that's new evidence for my side. Does it change your answer?
8Mateo: Partly. The order of his story looks calm, but his words at the end show he still isn't calm. So I agree the calm telling doesn't prove what he claims. I'm keeping one part, though: the order is real, and he does plan carefully.
9Zoe: That connects to what Devin and Amara said in class. Devin thought he confesses because he believes the officers know, and Amara thought it was the sound. Your "this I think" line shows he still believes the officers knew. Do you think that's why he's telling us the story at all, to prove he was right about them?
10Mateo: Maybe, but I'd want a line that shows who he's talking to. He keeps saying "you," like in excerpt 1: "why will you say that I am mad?" So he's answering someone who already thinks he's mad. That fits your idea that he's trying to prove something.
11Zoe: Can I push back on one thing you said earlier? Planning carefully isn't the same as being well. He plans every step, but the reason he gives in excerpt 1 is the old man's eye: "I think it was his eye!" Careful steps toward a goal like that don't make him more believable. So I'm keeping my view.
12Mateo: I can accept that. We've used seven minutes, so let's each write our sentence.
13Zoe: Mine: "The narrator's calm telling does not prove his claim, because he panics again in the telling itself."
14Mateo: Mine: "His story is told in careful order, but the present-tense 'this I think' and the repeated 'louder!' show he is still not calm, so the telling does not prove his claim."
Written for this page (the students are invented), Transcript 3: Partners Talk About the Narrator's Calm. Original passage written for this page.
Closure5 minutes
Exit ticket: "Write your view on why the narrator confesses in one sentence. Then write it again, qualified or justified by one piece of evidence you heard from a classmate or a transcript today." Use the tickets to pair students with different views for Activity 1.
Teacher note on the text. The excerpts come from the 1903 Raven Edition of Poe's works and keep his words exactly, including "damned spot" in excerpt 2 and the exclamations "Oh God!" and "Almighty God!" in excerpt 3. The story is about a murder. The excerpts leave out the paragraphs that describe the killing and the hiding of the body, and the summaries above give only what students need to follow the plot. "Mad" is the story's 1843 word; keep the discussion on this invented character's claims and on the evidence in the text, not on real people with mental illness, and let students know where to go if the topic is hard for them.
Homework. Tonight students research two words from the excerpts, hold a one-on-one discussion at home or by phone, and plan a group decision. Go over the directions and rubric before they leave.
Differentiation Strategies
For Struggling Students
Give students the starter table on a card and ask them to try two specific moves in each discussion, one of them "Qualify a view"
Let students mark and rehearse one line from each excerpt with a partner before the group discussion
Pre-teach the story words (narrator, hearken, vulture, acute, dissemble) with a quick example for each, and read excerpt 3 aloud once before students discuss it
For Advanced Students
Serve as the facilitator in Activity 2 and run the decision rule, including the vote and the minority sentence
Read the whole story and bring one detail from outside the excerpts that could count as new information for a classmate's view
After Activity 3, write a paragraph on which connecting question in the discussion web led to the most new links and why
Assessment Guidance
What to Look For
Strong eighth-grade discussion shows connection (questions that name two or more speakers and ask how their ideas fit), evidence (answers that quote a line and give its paragraph number without being asked), and precise updating (a speaker who keeps part of a view and says exactly what changed, or keeps all of it and says why the evidence supports it). Watch for groups that vote before they have discussed, for questions that only ask one person to repeat a point, and for students who either drop a view at the first objection or repeat it without answering the new evidence. In written items, look for exact quotations with paragraph numbers, a correct label for each move, and qualified views that are narrower than the original, not just reworded.
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Classroom Activities
3 Activities
1
Qualify or Justify? Partner Interviews
15 minPairs (one-on-one)
Partners with different views of the narrator question each other and bring evidence cards. Each partner must answer the other's evidence by qualifying or justifying a view, and must say which move they made.
Procedure
Each partner writes one sentence answering "Is the old man's eye the narrator's real reason, or is he hiding another one?" and marks one line from any excerpt that supports it
Partner A reads the sentence. Partner B asks one question that asks for evidence, then reads one line from an evidence card the teacher has prepared from the three excerpts
Partner A responds with a qualify or justify starter from the table and names the move: "That was a qualify, because I narrowed my view to ..."
After 5 minutes, switch. Finish by each writing the final version of the view and one sentence about what changed
Discussion Questions
Which evidence card was hardest to answer? Did you qualify or justify, and why?
How is your final sentence different from your first one? Is it narrower, or only reworded?
Variation for Online Classes
Pairs work in breakout rooms, and the teacher posts the evidence cards in the chat one at a time. Each partner types the first and final sentence into a shared document.
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Evidence Wall Decision
20 minGroups of 4
Groups make one decision the way the group in Transcript 2 does. The question is new: which single line from the three excerpts best shows how the narrator feels about the old man? Groups choose one line for the evidence wall and write one sentence explaining it.
Plan (3 minutes)
Read the class rules aloud: one voice at a time, and give evidence when you disagree
Write the decision rule on the planning card: try to agree first; if there is no agreement at the checkpoint, vote; the majority wins and the other side adds one sentence
Give out the roles the task needs: facilitator, timekeeper, recorder, spokesperson
Discuss and Decide (14 minutes)
Each member proposes a line with its excerpt and paragraph number. The facilitator asks at least one question that connects two members' picks. The timekeeper calls the checkpoint 8 minutes in, and the recorder writes the time, the picks still in play and the decision (agreement or the vote count).
Share (3 minutes)
The spokesperson posts the line on the wall and reads the explanation and the minority sentence, if there is one. The timekeeper reports whether the group decided by the checkpoint.
Discussion Questions
Did your group decide by agreement or by vote? What would have happened without a decision rule?
Did anyone justify a view instead of changing it? What evidence did they use?
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Discussion Web
15 minWhole class (teacher-led)
The teacher leads a whole-class discussion on a new question: "Does the narrator bring about his own punishment?" Six students talk in an inner circle. Students in the outer circle draw a discussion web: a line between two speakers each time one connects to the other's idea.
Procedure
Outer-circle students each get a sheet with the six speakers' names in a circle
The teacher opens with the question and, every few turns, asks a connecting question such as "How does what Jordan said fit with Mia's point?"
Observers draw a line whenever a speaker links to another speaker's idea, write E on the line when the link uses a quotation, and write Q next to a name when that speaker asks a connecting question
After 7 minutes, swap the circles and continue for 7 more
Discussion Questions
Which speaker has the most lines on your web? What did that speaker do that others did not?
Which connecting question led to the most new lines? Why do you think it worked?
Modification for Large Classes
Run two webs at once, with a student facilitator asking the connecting questions in the second one.
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Diagrams & Visual Aids
2 diagrams
Diagram 1: What Grade 8 Adds to Collaborative Discussion
The four parts of the standard in grade 7 and grade 8, side by side. Part a is the same in both grades. Grade 8 adds decision-making to part b, questions that connect several speakers and answers with relevant evidence to part c, and qualifying or justifying a view in light of the evidence to part d. The bottom box repeats the main standard: three formats, and in each one, build on others' ideas and state your own clearly.
Diagram 2: The Group's Decision Rule in Transcript 2
A flowchart of the decision rule Sofia states in paragraph 1 of Transcript 2, with the group's real path in solid blue. At the 1:12 checkpoint the group has three picks and no decision, so it votes at 1:15 (three votes to one), and Isaiah, on the other side, writes the extra sentence. The dashed branch shows what the rule says would happen if the group had agreed.
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Homework Assignment
~30 min
SL.8.1 Homework: Prepare, Discuss and Decide
Directions: Use the three excerpts of "The Tell-Tale Heart" in the Direct Instruction phase of the lesson plan. In Part 2 you hold a 10-minute one-on-one discussion with a classmate (in person, by phone or online) or with an adult at home, and take notes during it or right after. Write in complete sentences and give the excerpt and paragraph number whenever you refer to the story.
Part 1: Prepare (Problems 1-2)
Look up two words from the excerpts in a dictionary: "stealthily" (excerpt 2, paragraph 1) and "vehemently" (excerpt 3, paragraph 2). Write each meaning in your own words. Then write two sentences explaining what each word shows about how the narrator is speaking at that moment.
Three classmates wrote these answers before a discussion. Tyler: "The narrator is proud of himself." Ines: "The narrator is afraid the whole time." Omar: "The narrator wants the reader to like him." Write two questions you could ask that connect the ideas of at least two of these speakers, and name a line from the excerpts that could help answer each one.
Part 2: Discuss (Problems 3-4)
Hold your one-on-one discussion on "Could the narrator have stopped himself before the eighth night? What in the story suggests so, or not?" Write your own view in one clear sentence as you said it. Then describe one moment when you built on your partner's idea and one moment when you answered your partner's question with evidence, giving the excerpt and paragraph number.
Write down one piece of new information or evidence your partner gave you. Then write your view again, either qualified (narrowed to fit the evidence) or justified (kept, with the evidence that supports it). Explain in two or three sentences why you chose to qualify or to justify.
Part 3: Decide and Connect (Problems 5-6)
Your group of four has 18 minutes, from 12:40 to 12:58, to decide which excerpt to read aloud at a family reading night. Write a plan: two class rules, a decision rule that says how you will choose and when, one checkpoint time with what should be done by then, and a role for each member.
Tomorrow the teacher will lead a class discussion on the question "Who is the narrator talking to when he says 'you'?" Write what you would say in that discussion: connect the idea of one speaker from Transcript 1 to your own answer, and support your answer with a line from excerpt 1 and a line from excerpt 3.
Rubric
Criterion
Full Credit (2 pts)
Partial Credit (1 pt)
No Credit (0 pts)
Preparation
Accurate meanings for both words, what each shows about the narrator, and two connecting questions with lines
Meanings or questions present but vague, or a question that involves only one speaker
No research or questions
Discussion Record
A clear own-view sentence, a build-on moment and an answer with a cited line
One of the three moments missing or described only in general terms
No discussion recorded
Qualify or Justify
Names the new evidence and gives a narrowed or supported view with a reason
Names the evidence but the view is only reworded, or no reason is given
Missing
Decision Plan and Connection
Rules, a decision rule with a time, a checkpoint inside the 18 minutes and four roles; a connection to a named speaker with two cited lines
Most parts present but some vague
No plan or connection
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Quiz: 20 Questions
Interactive, with answers
Instructions
Questions 1-10 are about Transcript 3, the one-on-one talk between Zoe and Mateo in the Independent Practice phase of the lesson plan, and the three story excerpts in Direct Instruction. Questions 11-20 ask you to use the standard in new situations. Your score updates as you answer, and Reset quiz clears everything so you or your students can try again.
Multiple choice: pick an option to check it. Short answer: write your answer, then reveal the model answer.
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Question 1 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In paragraph 1 of Transcript 3, how does Zoe show that she came to the discussion prepared?
Answer: B
Zoe says, "Last night I marked two lines," and quotes one from excerpt 1 ("how calmly I can tell you the whole story") and one from excerpt 3 ("I raved"). That is coming prepared and drawing on the preparation (part a). Choice A confuses her ten-minute goal for the pair with a limit for each speaker. Choice C is wrong because Zoe gives her own view first. Choice D invents a summary she never gives.
Question 2 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In paragraph 3, Zoe asks, "What in the words makes you think he's calm now, while he's telling it?" What does the question ask Mateo to do?
Answer: D
Mateo has given an idea (the telling could still be calm) with no support. Zoe asks for the evidence behind it, and Mateo answers with an observation about the order of the story in paragraph 4. Responding to a question with relevant evidence and observations is part c. Choice A misreads the question, which invites him to defend his idea. Choice B is wrong because the question stays on the narrator. Choice C describes Mateo's time check in paragraph 12, not this question.
Question 3 of 20 · Multiple Choice
What new information does Zoe bring in paragraph 5?
Answer: A
Zoe points to "louder! louder! louder!" at the end of excerpt 3 and argues that the narrator is "panicking again while he tells it." That is new information for Mateo's view (part d). Choice B is wrong because the police never find the body; the narrator tells them where it is. Choice C is not in the excerpts. Choice D is wrong because the officers never say they heard anything; the narrator only imagines that they did.
Question 4 of 20 · Multiple Choice
How does Mateo respond to that new information in paragraphs 6 and 8?
Answer: C
Mateo says, "I hadn't looked at the exclamation marks," adds his own evidence ("this I thought, and this I think"), and in paragraph 8 narrows his view: the calm telling does not prove the narrator's claim, but the order is real. That is acknowledging new information and qualifying a view (part d). Choice A reverses what he does. Choice B is wrong because he never questions Zoe's reading. Choice D is the trap: he keeps one part of his view.
Question 5 of 20 · Multiple Choice
Which words from paragraph 8 show that Mateo qualifies his view instead of giving it up completely?
Answer: B
To qualify a view is to keep the part the evidence supports and limit the rest. Mateo keeps one part ("the order is real, and he does plan carefully") and gives up the claim that the calm telling proves anything. Choice A, from paragraph 12, accepts a point of Zoe's but does not say what Mateo keeps. Choice C acknowledges new information in paragraph 6 but does not say what he keeps. Choice D is from paragraph 10, where he asks for evidence.
Question 6 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In paragraph 9, how does Zoe connect the ideas of several speakers?
Answer: D
Zoe names Devin's idea (the officers) and Amara's (the sound) from the class discussion, links Mateo's "this I think" line to Devin's, and asks one question about all of it: is that why he is telling the story? A question that connects the ideas of several speakers is part c. Choice A is wrong because she does not ask Mateo to pick a winner. Choice B misreads her use of his line. Choice C is wrong because her question keeps the topic open.
Question 7 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In paragraph 10, how does Mateo respond to Zoe's question?
Answer: A
Mateo says he would want a line that shows who the narrator is talking to, then supplies one: "why will you say that I am mad?" from excerpt 1. That is responding to a question with relevant evidence (part c). Choice B is wrong because he says "Maybe" and looks for evidence first. Choice C is wrong because the eye comes up in paragraph 11, from Zoe. Choice D is wrong because he answers the question.
Question 8 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In paragraph 11, Zoe keeps her view. How does she justify it?
Answer: C
Zoe quotes "I think it was his eye!" from excerpt 1 and argues that careful steps toward a goal like that do not make the narrator more believable. To justify a view is to show, with evidence and reasons, why it still holds (part d). Choice A gives no evidence. Choice B invents something that never happens in the transcripts. Choice D is wrong because Zoe calls the order "a fair point" in paragraph 5.
Question 9 of 20 · Multiple Choice
Collegial means respectful and cooperative. Which moment shows the partners following a rule for collegial discussion?
Answer: B
In paragraph 11 Zoe asks permission before she disagrees, and in paragraph 5 she says "That's a fair point" before giving her own evidence. Both follow a rule for collegial discussion (part b). Choice A is wrong because Zoe asks for Mateo's evidence instead of dismissing his idea. Choice C is wrong because the partners take turns and nobody interrupts. Choice D is wrong because Zoe gives her sentence first, in paragraph 13.
Question 10 of 20 · Short Answer
How do Zoe and Mateo track progress toward their goal? Name the goal and the deadline, the progress check, and the paragraphs where each appears, and say whether they meet the goal.
Model answer: In paragraph 1, Zoe sets the goal and the deadline: each partner needs a final answer in one sentence by the end of their ten minutes. In paragraph 12, Mateo checks progress: "We've used seven minutes, so let's each write our sentence." That leaves three minutes to write. They meet the goal: Zoe's sentence is paragraph 13 and Mateo's is paragraph 14. Rubric: full credit for the goal, the ten-minute deadline, the seven-minute check and the two final sentences, with paragraph numbers; partial credit if the check or the paragraph numbers are missing; no credit for an answer that names no goal.
Question 11 of 20 · Multiple Choice
Three classmates have spoken. Ana: "The old man's eye is the narrator's real reason." Ben: "The eye is an excuse; he wanted power over the old man." Cam: "He says 'Object there was none.'" Which question connects the ideas of several speakers?
Answer: C
Choice C names three speakers and asks how Cam's line bears on the disagreement between Ana and Ben. That is a question that connects the ideas of several speakers (part c). Choice A asks one speaker to repeat. Choice B starts a new topic. Choice D is a good evidence question, but it involves only Cam.
Question 12 of 20 · Multiple Choice
In a teacher-led discussion, the teacher asks, "Did the narrator expect to get away with it?" Which response gives relevant evidence?
Answer: A
Choice A answers the question with a quotation from excerpt 3, paragraph 1, that bears directly on it: the narrator believed the officers were satisfied. That is responding with relevant evidence (part c). Choice B is a general claim about people, not evidence from the text. Choice C is a personal story that does not answer the question. Choice D is an opinion about the ending.
Question 13 of 20 · Multiple Choice
Jaden believes, "The narrator stays calm the whole time the officers are there." A classmate points out that in excerpt 3, paragraph 1, the narrator says, "My head ached, and I fancied a ringing in my ears." Which response qualifies Jaden's view?
Answer: D
Choice D keeps the part of Jaden's view the text supports (at first the narrator is "singularly at ease") and limits the rest in light of the new evidence (the headache and the ringing come "ere long"). That is qualifying a view (part d). Choice A gives up the whole view, which the evidence does not require. Choice B ignores the evidence. Choice C dismisses it with no reason from the text, though the ringing is exactly what ends his calm.
Question 14 of 20 · Multiple Choice
A classmate says the narrator must be well because he waited "a long time, very patiently" before opening the lantern. You disagree. Which reply justifies your view with evidence?
Answer: B
Choice B accepts the classmate's evidence and answers it with more evidence from excerpt 2, paragraph 2 ("I grew furious as I gazed upon it"), which shows the patience did not mean calm. That is justifying a view in light of the evidence presented (part d). Choice A is about the speaker, not the narrator. Choice C counts supporters instead of giving evidence. Choice D drops the disagreement without answering it.
Question 15 of 20 · Multiple Choice
A group's decision rule is: "Try to agree. At 2:10, vote. The majority wins, and the other side adds one sentence." At 2:10, three members want Line A and Jada wants Line B. What should happen next?
Answer: A
Following rules for decision-making means using the rule the group agreed on (part b). At 2:10 the vote is three to one, so Line A wins and Jada, on the other side, adds a sentence. Choice B ignores the deadline in the rule. Choice C replaces the vote with volume. Choice D hands the decision away even though the rule has already produced one.
Question 16 of 20 · Multiple Choice
A group has 15 minutes, from 9:40 to 9:55, to choose a line and write an explanation. At 9:49 the group has chosen its line but has not started the explanation. Which comment tracks progress best?
Answer: C
Choice C names the time and what is done, gives the next step to the person whose role fits it, and sets a checkpoint that leaves two minutes to check the explanation before 9:55. That is tracking progress toward a goal and deadline and using roles (part b). Choice A ignores that only six minutes are left. Choice B drops the roles and the group. Choice D gives no time and no plan.
Question 17 of 20 · Short Answer
In a small group, Lena says, "The narrator hears the old man's real heart." Marco says, "He hears his own heart." Priya says, "The sound is his guilt." Write one question that connects the ideas of at least two of these speakers, and explain in one sentence why it connects them instead of asking one person to repeat.
Model answer: "Marco and Lena, the old man is dead by excerpt 3, so if Marco is right that the sound is the narrator's own heart, does that support Priya's idea that it stands for guilt?" It connects them because it asks how Marco's explanation of the sound bears on both Lena's view and Priya's, so answering it means weighing their ideas together. Rubric: full credit for a question that names at least two speakers and asks how their ideas relate, plus a clear explanation; partial credit for a question that involves two speakers but only asks each to restate; no credit for a question to one speaker only.
Question 18 of 20 · Short Answer
You think the narrator confesses only because he feels guilty. A classmate points out that in excerpt 3, paragraph 1, the narrator says he "found that the noise was not within my ears," so he believes the sound is real. Write two or three sentences that acknowledge this evidence and then either qualify or justify your view. Say which one you did.
Model answer (qualify): "That's a good line. It shows he believes the sound is outside him, so he may confess to stop the sound, not only because of guilt. I'll qualify my view: guilt may explain why he hears the sound, but his belief that it is real is what makes him confess." A student may also justify: "He believes it is real, but it sounds exactly like the heartbeat he heard before the murder, so I still think the sound comes from his guilt." Rubric: full credit for acknowledging the evidence, a view that is clearly narrowed or clearly supported with a reason from the text, and the correct label; partial credit if the label is wrong or the reason is missing; no credit for ignoring the evidence.
Question 19 of 20 · Short Answer
Your group of four has 20 minutes, from 10:20 to 10:40, to agree on a title for a poster about "The Tell-Tale Heart." Write a plan with two class rules, a decision rule that says how and when you will choose, one checkpoint time with what should be done by then, and a role for each member.
Model answer: Rules: one voice at a time; give evidence when you disagree. Decision rule: try to agree; if there is no agreement by 10:30, vote, the majority wins, and the other side suggests a subtitle. Checkpoint: by 10:30, each member has proposed a title and explained it with a line. Roles: facilitator (runs the decision rule), timekeeper (calls 10:30), recorder (writes the titles and the vote) and spokesperson (presents the title). The last ten minutes, 10:30 to 10:40, are for the vote and the poster. Rubric: full credit for two rules, a decision rule with a time, a checkpoint inside the 20 minutes with a task, and four roles; partial credit if the decision rule has no time or the checkpoint is vague; no credit for a plan with no decision rule.
Question 20 of 20 · Short Answer
You are preparing for a teacher-led discussion of the question "Can we believe the narrator's claim that he has 'over-acuteness of the sense'?" Write your answer in one clear sentence. Then write the evidence you would bring: one line from excerpt 1 and one line from excerpt 2, each with its paragraph number and a phrase explaining how it supports your answer. Choose lines that no transcript on this page has already used.
Model answer: "We cannot fully believe the claim, because his own words show that what he calls sharp senses is an illness that drives him to fury." Evidence: excerpt 1, paragraph 1, "The disease had sharpened my senses" (he himself calls the cause a disease, which undercuts his claim that he is not mad); excerpt 2, paragraph 3, "It increased my fury, as the beating of a drum stimulates the soldier into courage" (what he hears pushes him to rage, not to clear judgment). A student may also argue for believing it, using "I saw it with perfect distinctness" (excerpt 2, paragraph 2). Rubric: full credit for a clear one-sentence view and two exact lines with correct paragraph numbers and explanations; partial credit for one line or a missing explanation; no credit for no evidence.
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Frequently Asked Questions
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What does SL.8.1 mean?
SL.8.1 means that eighth graders take part in discussions with a partner, in groups and with the whole class, and make them productive. "SL" stands for Speaking and Listening. Students come prepared with evidence, follow rules for discussion and for making group decisions, track progress toward goals and deadlines, ask questions that connect the ideas of several speakers, answer with relevant evidence, and qualify or justify their own views in light of the evidence presented.
How is SL.8.1 different from SL.7.1?
Grade 8 changes three of the four parts. Part b adds decision-making to the rules for discussion. Part c replaces questions that elicit elaboration with questions that connect the ideas of several speakers, and asks for responses with relevant evidence. Part d replaces modifying a view with qualifying or justifying it in light of the evidence presented. Part a, coming prepared and using that preparation, is the same in both grades.
What is the difference between qualifying and justifying a view?
Qualifying narrows a view so it fits the evidence; justifying shows with evidence why a view still holds. A student who says "He confesses mostly because of the sound, not only because of the officers" has qualified. A student who says "I'm keeping my view, because the same sound appears before and after the old man dies" has justified. Both are good grade 8 responses, as long as the choice follows from the evidence.
What does a question that connects several speakers sound like?
It names two or more speakers and asks how their ideas fit together, clash or build on each other. For example: "Rosa thinks it's guilt and Amara thinks it's the sound. Could both be true?" A question to one person, such as "Can you say more?", can be useful, but it does not connect speakers.
What does decision-making add to part b of SL.8.1?
It asks groups to follow an agreed way of reaching a choice, not just rules for talking. A decision rule says how and when the group will decide, for example "try to agree, and vote at the checkpoint if we can't." The rule keeps a discussion from ending with no decision, and a step such as letting the other side add a sentence keeps the minority view in the final product.
Is "The Tell-Tale Heart" appropriate for eighth graders?
It is often taught in middle school, and this page uses only the opening, the eighth night and the ending. The paragraphs that describe the killing and the hiding of the body are summarized briefly by the teacher instead of printed. The excerpts keep Poe's words exactly, including "damned" and two exclamations with "God," and the teacher note suggests how to handle the story's word "mad" respectfully. Teachers who prefer a gentler text can use the same transcripts' moves with any story that raises a real question.
How do you grade an eighth-grade discussion fairly?
Grade observable moves instead of how much each student talks. A short checklist works: cited a line with its paragraph number, asked a question that connected two speakers, answered a question with evidence, used the decision rule, and qualified or justified a view with a reason. Observe a few students in each discussion, and count written work such as the homework and quiz for students who find speaking in a group hard.
My child never changes their mind in a discussion. Does that fail SL.8.1?
No. The standard asks students to qualify or justify their views "when warranted," and justifying means keeping a view and showing the evidence that supports it. What it does require is acknowledging the new information: naming what the other person said and answering it with evidence instead of ignoring it.
Can SL.8.1 be taught in an online class?
Yes. Use breakout rooms for pairs and groups and the main room for teacher-led talk. Post the decision rule and checkpoint times in the chat, run group votes with a poll, and have observers build the discussion web in a shared drawing or document.
What comes after SL.8.1 in high school?
SL.9-10.1 comes next. In grades 9-10, students initiate discussions as well as join them, work with peers to set their own rules and decision-making procedures, propel conversations with questions that relate the discussion to broader themes, and summarize points of agreement and disagreement. The grade 8 habits of connecting speakers and weighing evidence lead directly to that step.
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Related Standards
5 standards
These standards connect to SL.8.1: prerequisites to review first, parallel standards at the same level, and next steps that build on it.
Before this lesson
SL.7.1Prerequisite
Engage in grade 7 discussions, tracking progress and modifying views when warranted